Lat’s Field Guide to N.Y. vs. D.C. Lawyers
Prodigal son DAVID LAT returns from his sabbatical in our nation’s capital to find that New York is as dirty and smelly as ever. Also: Why do the lawyers look so different?
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Coming home has also caused me to think more about the legal cultures of the two cities. What makes someone a New York lawyer rather than a D.C. lawyer? What are the defining characteristics of each?
“Washington is a company town, a little place, a little village, with one major industry: the United States government,” said Bernard Nussbaum, a longtime partner at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz in New York, who served as White House counsel in the Clinton administration. “New York is a multifaceted community, with overlapping circles of finance, law, business, the arts, fashion—a much broader world.”
But not too broad. “New York legal work is motivated by the fact that we’re in the financial capital of the world,” explained Jeh Johnson, a partner at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison in New York, and general counsel to the Air Force under President Clinton.
An associate at a large Gotham firm who previously practiced in D.C. summed up New York’s legal world even more concisely: “Money, money, money. Emphasis on business and making things happen. Shoes tell who’s who.”
What counts in D.C. is harder to describe. The Washington legal world is driven by elaborate hierarchies of power and prestige that can be inscrutable to outsiders, according to the New York associate. “The guy in the room in the worst suit is probably the highest-ranking government officer, the guy everyone wants to talk to.”
Or take down.
“Even though New York has this reputation for being hard-nosed and competitive, you want to live to fight another day,” said Mr. Nussbaum. “You win this case, they win that case; you win this deal point, they win that deal point. You don’t want to destroy the other party.”
D.C. is different. “When they go after you, they want to kill you,” said Mr. Nussbaum. “They want to drain your blood. They want a special prosecutor appointed; they want to send you to jail. I warned [President Clinton] not to appoint a special prosecutor [to deal with Whitewater]. Unfortunately, he didn’t listen—and he regrets it.”
Others don’t mind the capital’s eat-or-be-eaten ethos, since at least lawyers are higher on the food chain.
“Finance guys [in New York] openly mock and ridicule lawyers as peons who make peanuts,” said one Washington lawyer who used to work in New York. This lawyer told the story of a friend, a corporate lawyer at a prominent firm, who realized when he was a six-figure-earning bottom-dweller.
“He went out to a gentlemen’s club. One of the ladies asked him what he did for a living. His initial reaction was to lie and say, ‘I’m a banker.’ And he realized that if he couldn’t tell the truth about his job to an Eastern European stripper, he had to leave his job. He now works in finance.”
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I think there is a typo under "Gentlemen's Wager". What are profits per semester? I heard Skadden and Craveth just converted to trimesters.
-McBain
Also a typo under "Daily Reads": it is "Politico" and not "Politco" (you're missing an "i").
Great catches on those typos, 12.41 and 12.00! Worthy comments, indeed. (Especially the part about Craveth -- is that anything like Cravath?) You'll want to see this, immediately:
http://www.bitterlawyer.com/index.php/webisodes/?id=1&sess=1&web_id=NjI=
Yes, NY smells way worse than DC. But nowhere in DC do you have the choice of sandwich, indian food, kebab, or sushi 24 hours/day. Plus, NYC bars/clubs doesn't have a curfew. And these things DO make a difference to attorneys.
To 1:48: AWESOME reference!!!!!!!!
Guys at my high school used to complain about the stench in NYC all the time. It was no big deal.
Hands down best ATL feature EVER.
Just a bit touchy aren't we 1:48?
Bernie's still upset about his total flame out in DC. Let it go, bro.
"Bernie's still upset about his total flame out in DC. Let it go, bro."
Yep. He got his asskicked there and never got over it.
"Bernie's still upset about his total flame out in DC. Let it go, bro."
Yep. He got his butt kicked there and never got over it.
"Bernie's still upset about his total flame out in DC. Let it go, bro."
Yep. He got his butt kicked there and never got over it.
"Bernie's still upset about his total flame out in DC. Let it go, bro."
Yep. He got his asskicked there and never got over it.
Re: Lat’s Field Guide to N.Y. vs. D.C. Lawyers
Dave, Dave . . . did you just watch 1988's Working Girl again? It may have been accurate for its time, but times do change. There is a substantial -- and increasing -- contingent of secretaries who live in Manhattan, enough to make a major dent in the perpetuated stereotype of the outer-borough-residing secretary.
Oh, by the way, I've been a legal secretary for over 30 years, and have lived (rented and owned) on the Upper West Side, Upper East Side, East Village, West Village, and Gramercy, and now in Chelsea.
Legal Eagle! Let it go down and take a href="http://www.portugalvillarenters.com">holiday!
Guys at my high school used to complain about the stench in NYC all the time. It was no big deal. Visit Portugal Villa Renters and see what stench is all about!